Hi, I just discovered that slanting a shape 6 degress first and then 6 again gives a quite large difference from slanting 12. Can this be fixed or am I missing something?

Cannot reproduce. I get the same result. Two possible things:

- What exactly is happening? Do you get the same shape but a different position? For slanting, the transformation origin is important. If you have it centered for example, the transformation origin will likely be different every time when you do multiple slants.
- Or are there small differences in the details? Grid rounding may have an intermediate effect.

On a font with 1000 UPM.

I slant from left to right, origin point left bottom corner.

I always get 2 units difference. You don’t? Probably the grid who does it…

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Seems to be a rounding error, yes. But I can reproduce it only when I try to slant it back to vertical.

So you can not reproduce it when slanting normally?

That is indeed weird. Something is wrong with me… or my version.

I don’t use the cutting edge, could this be some lead? I and pretty sure this has worked previously. See movie.

testmovie.mov.zip (3.7 MB)

Try with disabled grid. (set the Grid Spacing to zero).

Same problem. To be honest, this is problem I can live with, but would be so super if it matched and I think it might have been 100% before, not sure exactly, but this is the first time I reacted on it.

I can reproduce the problem now. There is something going on with the math that I need to better understand.

It’s geometry, folks!

This boils down to 2 tan(𝛼) ≠ tan(2 𝛼) for the general case.

So: this is not a bug in Glyphs. In one scenario, the x value of each point is shifted by tan(6°) y twice, i.e. by 2 tan(6°) y while in the other case they are shifted by tan(12°) y.

To achieve an overall slant of 12°, after having already slanted by 6°, you need to slant by inv_tan( tan(12°) - tan(6°) ), which is about 6.133°.

Thanks for the explanation.

I don’t understand even a small portion of this, but trust you know. Would it not be a point if Glyphs adjusted for this, or would that mean problems somewhere else? I think most people think that 6 + 6 = 12

This adjustment should definitely not be done silently. If I ask to slant by 6° I want exactly that to happen.

Since Glyphs knows the current slant/italic angle (and assuming it is set correctly by the user), it could offer to enter the *target angle* in the UI as an alternative to entering the actual slant angle.

I agree with Tim; I prefer accuracy (I still don’t like that scaling % thing on the Palette, nudge nudge).

I think more extreme cases like 45° × 2 should help you understand the logic better.