# Empty placeholders in Arabic Marks

**URL:** <https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/empty-placeholders-in-arabic-marks/31361>\
**Category:** Glyphs\
**Tags:** todo\
**Created:** [September 1, 2024, 2:18pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/empty-placeholders-in-arabic-marks/31361 "2024-09-01T14:18:24Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 3\
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**Author:** ![michaelrafailyk](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/michaelrafailyk/32/32212_2.png) [@michaelrafailyk](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/michaelrafailyk)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 2:18pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/empty-placeholders-in-arabic-marks/31361/1 "2024-09-01T14:18:24Z")

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Hello! Just started to get acquainted with the Arabic script using [the guide](https://glyphsapp.com/learn/arabic) from a Learn section, and faced the fact that diacritics in _Basic Shapes_ do not have placeholders. Some of them are self-explanatory, but some others are not really. So it would be very desirable if these placeholders were added and displayed in a future if possible.

Especially I have problem with marks like `twodotsvertical` (above-ar/below-ar) – because I can’t find any case where they are used like a components. And marks like `threedotsdown` (above-ar/below-ar) – where it’s hard to understand what means `down` – like a pyramid or like an upside down pyramid?

Also, I would greatly appreciate it if someone could show a screenshot of these marks from your font file for visual reference. Thanks.

 ![Screenshot 2024-09-01 at 16.53.12](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/uploads/default/original/3X/3/4/349461f182db8d7eace6da65a1c51180fd9b8412.png)

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**Author:** ![mekkablue](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/mekkablue/32/23_2.png) [@mekkablue](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/mekkablue)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/empty-placeholders-in-arabic-marks/31361/2 "2024-09-01T15:04:19Z")

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Many of the double dots are variants for stylistic purposes only. You typically don’t need all of them.

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**Author:** ![michaelrafailyk](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/michaelrafailyk/32/32212_2.png) [@michaelrafailyk](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/michaelrafailyk)\
**Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/empty-placeholders-in-arabic-marks/31361/3 "2024-09-01T19:54:39Z")

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Thanks Rainer, it’s good to know.  
Also, from guide, I found this picture that shade the light on `three dots down/up` marks.

 ![Screenshot 2024-09-01 at 22.49.19](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/uploads/default/original/3X/4/f/4fb9652a66c77811c0d0762b370858103f889a58.png)

Also, to keep everything in one place, here the [related comment](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/clarification-on-three-arabic-glyphs-in-basic-shapes-section/18154/5) about the 3 latest marks from the Basic Shapes section.