Glyph order line breaks

Hi All
I was watching a @TimAhrens Kern-On tutorial and spotted the neat way he was ordering his glyphs :raised_hands:. For example, I see A-Z is separated by a line break rather than a ** Header **, how is this done? Via filters or glyphOrder parameter?

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This is probably what you want: font-production/plain letters first in Glyphs at master Ā· justanotherfoundry/font-production Ā· GitHub

The main purpose is to keep all plain letters in one group.

Not sure where the line break comes from, to be honest. The way Glyphs refreshes the display of the Font tab is a bit intransparent. Sometimes, you need to run ā€œUpdate Glyph Infoā€ to trigger the display update. Sometimes, opening the font on a different computer changes the display (and even the display strings in the text tabs). This suggests that some information may be stored/cached on the computer and/or the Glyphs file. In the video, the line break after the Z may have come from such un-refreshed, cached information.

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This one might be helpful also:

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Thank you. Iā€™ll have a play with it.

Thanks for that!

While on the subject. Do you employ a specific logic to the colour tags you are assigning to the glyphs?

My colouring scheme for the glyphs is not particularly sophisticated, I guess. I have kept all pure composites in cyan for many years, other glyphs may be coloured depending on their progress or whether they are ā€œoriginalsā€ or somehow derived from others such as œ or Ć¾. Glyphs generated via RMX are typically orange or pink in my files.

It is an interesting question, though. Iā€™d be curious to hear how others colour their glyphs.

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Thank you. Maybe Iā€™ll put the question it out on TypeDrawers

Iā€™ve always wondered if there are good practices/intended use for the colors.
I mark various ā€œsetsā€:
Alternatives ā€” green
Case-sensitive ā€” light blue
Calt ā€” orange
Tabular ā€” purple
Will likely delete ā€” red
The rest reserved for case-by-case uses

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I second this. I would also love to have the option to have the option to just insert simple line breaks with e.g *** or something alike. I completely switched to organise the sorting with glyphOrder / filter lists and custom headings, as it is very flexible and easy to customize for specific needs. Just line breaks would be really neat to e.g. organise the numerals, or anything else were there are alternatives for a specific set of glyphs.

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Seems like the makers of Glyphs do not treat the font view as lines in the first place.

For example, if you drag to select a number of glyphs you will get a rather meaningless rectangle instead of a mechanism that corresponds to selecting characters in a multi-line text (as it has always worked in FontLab). I tried to convince them long ago to change this but did not succeed. FWIW, shift-clicking does apply the line logic, though.

Part of this seems to be that what we are seeing is one of the standard Apple UI styles and this automatically treats the shown elements as a grid, not as lines (similar to the icon view in Finder).

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Thatā€™s true, though I donā€™t mind it much as with shift-clicking it is giving the expected behaviour.

Nonetheless it should be easy to implement a ā€˜line breakā€™ (aka zero height vertical separator).
Moreover it should be even an expected feature as the default view does insert ā€˜line breaksā€™ at multiple occasions ā€¦ eg. between upper and lower case / and across numeral sets / etc.

PS: I also noticed an unexpected behaviour though: in which some older .glyphs files do not have those default line breaks across the numerals in the regular ā€œAllā€ view (and no, there is not glyphOrder parameter applied, its saved as glyphs 3 version format and also updating glyph info, while making sure custom naming is deactivated doesnā€™t help either)

Can you send me that file?