# Hebrew vowels: Furtive Patach

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**Created:** [September 21, 2018, 2:39am UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/hebrew-vowels-furtive-patach/9763 "2018-09-21T02:39:27Z")\
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**Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 5:21am UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/hebrew-vowels-furtive-patach/9763/2 "2018-09-21T05:21:43Z")

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There is no such consensus on Fortive Patah (not Patach) in terms of positioning! ; it is not considered a specific punctuation, subsequently no dedicated unicode.  
At the **end of a word** the consonant Hebrew letters: He, Het & Ayin would get different pronunciations after a “vowel-ed” letter with Shoroq, Holam, Hiriq and Tsere, where irregularly “Patah” does not show underneath those letters at end of a word anyway. Not alike Biblical writings, modern Hebrew printing kept the same position for the so-called “stolen Patah or sneaky Patah” פַּתַּח גנובה  
Anyhow if you wish to assign special positioning for it I’d suggest a SUB OT feature based on an extra 3 ligatures for: Patah & He, Het & Ayin.

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