InDesign rendering glitch

Hi everyone,

Can anyone explain how this happens?

The font has variable width and weight.

In Adobe InDesign, glitches appear in both static files and the variable version—across instances as well as master designs.

I’ve tried TrueType rendering, quadratic curves, Em 2000, increasing the axis range—nothing fully fixed it. Even the intermediate trick (shown in the image, created in the same location as the glitch in InDesign) ends up displaying like this after export.

I know InDesign isn’t ideal for testing, but I still need it to render correctly there. I’ve also tried adding inflections based on other posts here, but in this shape it doesn’t make any difference.

Thanks a lot

How are you testing your font? Are you using the Adobe fonts folder?

Do the outlines look correct in other applications?

Thanks for response! I’m using the system font folder. I install fonts by exporting them into it. The glitch does not appear in browser testers.

Then you are definitely not using the latest version. Don’t use that method.

Thanks a lot.**

I’m trying to test the behavior from a user/buyer perspective, and they won’t be using the Adobe fonts folder, I assume?**

Unfortunetly, this method stopped working at some point, even though the path is correct. I think it happened when I got a new mac, updated the system, or after an Adobe update, not sure. The system font folder then started behaving like the Adobe one used to—it updates automatically even when the app is open, so it is the latest version of the font.

the problem with the system fonts folder is when you are changing the fonts. As you do while developing the font. That is not a problem for the user.

Hi Georg, thank a lot you both for your replies.

I went through the instructions and realized I had linked the wrong folder—it wasn’t the root one. Thanks for that.

However, it didn’t fix the glitch, which I expected, because a colleague encountered the same issue on a different computer as a regular user, not as a developer with multiple versions.
When converting the text to outlines in InDesign, you can see that three points are created in that spot instead of one.
Please, do you have any idea what might be causing this?
Or would you mind taking a look at the file please?

Huge thanks

Use the plugin “Shoe Angled Handles”. You’ll probably find that you’re using large handles (their vectors intersect on at least one of the handle lines). That creates implied inflections, which provoke extra points during TrueType conversion.

If you want, you can send me the file in a private message and I’ll take a look.

What are your grid settings in Font info > Other?

Thanks a lot both of you guys again.

Sebastian: Thanks — I always use Show Angled Handles, but I’ve never seen it cause a glitch, even though I’ve ignored some warnings before. Thanks a lot for the explanation, that’s exactly what I needed. The glitch has almost disappeared, but there’s still a spot where a straight segment remains broken. I’ll test it more thoroughly, and if I can’t resolve it, I’ll send the file in a private message.

Georg: Thanks a lot. I use Grid Spacing: 1, Subdivision: 1, Em size: 2000, and it looks like I’m on the right track now. Is there anything in the font info that could affect this type of glitch?

Thanks a lot again for your time.

Is the screenshot from an interpolation? Then you are running into what is kalled a kink.

A kink happens when all of the following are true:

  • The relative length of the handles changes between masters
  • The constellation consists of three or more points in a line
  • The angle of this line changes between masters

Eliminate one of these conditions and you won’t have a kink anymore. You can use the “Show Kinks” plugin that highlights affected nodes (in compatible masters).

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Wow amazing, thats exactly what i was looking for. Thanks a lot for your time. Also plugin “Show Handle Relations” helped me find the kinks.

There’s also a specialized Show Kinks plugin and in the mekkablue scripts, there’s a Kink Finder script for finding such situations in all of your glyphs.

Thanks a lot for your help, all of you.