Ligatures weird sorting

[ArtGrootfontein]

Hi Glyphs coworkers !
I hope you could help me again

I made several ligatures for my font (more than 40)
And I’m experiencing two weird things about those ligatures :

• They appear in the Glyphs main window, just below the “standard letters”, except for two of them, which are at the very bottom of the window, below my alternates :

• When I click on the “Ligatures” menu item in the left column, it only shows 8 ligatures !

Does anybody know what is happening with those damn ligatures ?

[GeorgSeifert]

You have a “glyphOrder” custom parameter that controls the order some of the glyphs. All new glyphs are not in that list and thous are sorted below. I would remove that parameter.

[ArtGrootfontein]

You are right, @GeorgSeifert. Don’t know where this custom parameter came from…
I’ve just removed it but I still have only 8 ligatures showing in the “Ligatures” filter menu…
Do you know why they don’t all appear here ?

[GeorgSeifert]

Those ligatures have a Private Use Area unicode. Those overwrite the setting of the category.

I most likely don’t want to add those codes.

[ArtGrootfontein]

Thanks @GeorgSeifert but I did’nt add any codes (neither did I add custom parameter for the glyph order…)
This could come from the Fontself plugin I use to design and kern ?

So please tell me how remove this Private Use Area Unicode…

[GeorgSeifert]

Select all the glyphs that are in the “Private Use” group. You should see a “Unicode: Multiple Values” in the lower left of the font view. Type an space, tab out of it and then remove that space again. Then run Glyph menu > Update Glyphs Info.

[ArtGrootfontein]

Thanks, but I don’t see any “Private group”… is it in the left-side column ?

[GeorgSeifert]

I meant the group headers in the glyph list. There are ‘Letters’, ‘Numbers’ …

[ArtGrootfontein]

I’m sorry, @GeorgSeifert but I don’t see that “Private group” in that column…

[GeorgSeifert]

I don’t mean in the sidebar, but in the main area with the glyph.

Just select all the ligatures that are at the end of the Glyph list.

[ArtGrootfontein]

OK I get it.
So you recommend to type a space in the “Unicode” field for all my ligatures ?

[ArtGrootfontein]

OK I did it, but now I have two types of ligatures :
Some with a Unicode + production name (Script [VOID]) and some with an english name without anything in the Unicode field (Script Latin)

Is it a problem ?

[GeorgSeifert]

You need to remove all those Unicodes from the ligatures. Then rund the Update Glyph info for them.

[elena]

i’m wondering if pressing alt+cmd+i with a glyph selected works in Glyphs Mini. you can edit all the glyphs info there - removing production names, renaming the glyph etc

[ArtGrootfontein]

Thanks @elena & @GeorgSeifert.
I can’t remove all the Unicodes and production names (the “Multiple values” text is always there)

Even if I type a space char in the field, once I hit “tab”, the “Multiple Values” text comes back (in pale grey)
(Same thing after “Update glyphs informations” command)
I use Glyphs3 (trial version) now, but when I press cmd+alt+i, the pop-up that appears is different than yours, @elena : I don’t have the Unicode & Production name fileds…
More, all my ligatures have now a little “i” icon (Same thing after “Update glyphs informations” command) > what does it mean ?

[GeorgSeifert]

You can run this script in the macro panel with the offending glyphs selected in font view:

Font.disableUpdateInterface()
for layer in Font.selectedLayers:
    layer.parent.unicode = None
    layer.parent.updateGlyphInfo()
Font.enableUpdateInterface()

[ArtGrootfontein]

Thanks @GeorgSeifert but it makes no change at all…
What the litlle “i” icon meeans ?

[GeorgSeifert]

The “i” means that you have manually set glyph info. That is what elena was explaining.

[composerjk]

At least in that video, the reason the info area of the left sidebar shows multiple Unicode values is because multiple glyphs are currently selected. Select a single glyph to see what’s shown for that glyph.

[ArtGrootfontein]

You are absolutely right, @composerjk !
So I think this thread is finished now :
The “i” doesn’t mean anything bad for my font and the “Multiple values” info is logic !
Thanks @GeorgSeifert @elena and @composerjk