# Multiple vowel marks placement in Arabic

**URL:** <https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141>\
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**Created:** [October 7, 2015, 12:12pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141 "2015-10-07T12:12:45Z")\
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**Author:** ![Rui\_Abreu](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/rui_abreu/32/2564_2.png) [@Rui\_Abreu](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/Rui_Abreu)\
**Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 12:12pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/1 "2015-10-07T12:12:45Z")

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I’ve testing the vowel marks on my design and came across this case. The ‘thal’ with ‘fatha’ and ‘alefabove’ seems to have a problem in the placement of the ‘alefabove’. It seems to be ignoring the anchors.

 ![](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/uploads/default/original/1X/99b676e144c4d98fe7d2b04130286d53cee08ac1.png)

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**Author:** ![mekkablue](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/mekkablue/32/23_2.png) [@mekkablue](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/mekkablue)\
**Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 5:52pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/2 "2015-10-07T17:52:50Z")

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What do the anchors look like? Are `top` and `_top` the wrong way around on one of the marks?

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**Author:** ![Rui\_Abreu](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/rui_abreu/32/2564_2.png) [@Rui\_Abreu](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/Rui_Abreu)\
**Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 2:38pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/3 "2015-10-10T14:38:39Z")

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The anchors are correctly placed. All these marked are working well everywhere. Only in this case where there is a dot and two marks placed on top, the last mark (alefabove) is apparently ignoring the anchors. I suppose this rarely happen in vocalised arabic anyway.

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**Author:** ![mekkablue](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/mekkablue/32/23_2.png) [@mekkablue](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/mekkablue)\
**Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 2:50pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/4 "2015-10-10T14:50:33Z")

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In which app are you testing?

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**Author:** ![Rui\_Abreu](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/rui_abreu/32/2564_2.png) [@Rui\_Abreu](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/Rui_Abreu)\
**Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 4:15pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/5 "2015-10-10T16:15:25Z")

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Indesign.

In Adobe Arabic typeface seams to be happening something similar.  
 ![](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/64e8c14b071cea54eb1ac021a82c38de2ef6eda6.png)

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**Author:** ![mekkablue](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/mekkablue/32/23_2.png) [@mekkablue](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/mekkablue)\
**Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/6 "2015-10-10T21:17:59Z")

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Seems to be an InDesign problem then. Which version?

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**Author:** ![Rui\_Abreu](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/rui_abreu/32/2564_2.png) [@Rui\_Abreu](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/Rui_Abreu)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2015, 12:32am UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/7 "2015-10-11T00:32:15Z")

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InDesign CC 2015.1

11.1.0.122 Build

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**Author:** ![GeorgSeifert](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/georgseifert/32/259_2.png) [@GeorgSeifert](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/GeorgSeifert)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2015, 9:18am UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/8 "2015-10-11T09:18:05Z")

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Can you send me some text samples in a text file?

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**Author:** ![Avantino](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Avantino](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/Avantino)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 8:05am UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/9 "2015-10-12T08:05:55Z")

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> [@Rui\_Abreu](#):
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> In Adobe Arabic typeface seams to be happening something similar.

I’ve tested that with the same Adobe Arabic font, Myriad Arabic & my fonts  
with Indesign CS6 … it works perfect;  
 ![](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/uploads/default/original/2X/f/fc61c5c608a66de5caccfc48f63ce75fe47939e7.png)

![](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/uploads/default/original/2X/9/981e7b05df9fcf1c615628e65dc0f90abfe45e76.png)

![](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/uploads/default/original/2X/4/49b1d775800551eef8dc8778e5cc6d613ec8811a.png)

> [@mekkablue](#):
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> Seems to be an InDesign problem then.

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**Author:** ![Rui\_Abreu](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/rui_abreu/32/2564_2.png) [@Rui\_Abreu](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/Rui_Abreu)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 8:33am UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/10 "2015-10-12T08:33:38Z")

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ذَ‌ٰلِكَ‭  
‬  
Here is the word.

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**Author:** ![mekkablue](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/mekkablue/32/23_2.png) [@mekkablue](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/mekkablue)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 9:38pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/11 "2015-10-12T21:38:24Z")

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Are you using the world ready composer?

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**Author:** ![Rui\_Abreu](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/rui_abreu/32/2564_2.png) [@Rui\_Abreu](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/Rui_Abreu)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 3:29am UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/12 "2015-10-13T03:29:10Z")

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![](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/uploads/default/original/2X/f/fde4639616c35260e7a8e60eafdda97d276938e2.png)

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**Author:** ![GeorgSeifert](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/georgseifert/32/259_2.png) [@GeorgSeifert](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/GeorgSeifert)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 9:39am UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/13 "2015-10-13T09:39:20Z")

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> [@Rui\_Abreu](#):
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> ذَ‌ٰلِكَ‭

There is a zerowidthnonjoiner in your glyph string. It is blocking the mark positioning. Try this:  
ذَٰلِكَ

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**Author:** ![AzizMostafa](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/azizmostafa/32/1718_2.png) [@AzizMostafa](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/AzizMostafa)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2016, 8:29am UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/multiple-vowel-marks-placement-in-arabic/3141/14 "2016-03-22T08:29:50Z")

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Multiple vowel marks and multiple dots and many more M$, Adobe and WinSoft limitations to Arabic and Arabic-based scripts are possible only with QB Fonts  
[http://www.macarabia.net/attachments/13104](http://www.macarabia.net/attachments/13104)  
[http://www.macarabia.net/attachments/13105](http://www.macarabia.net/attachments/13105)  
Happy exploring with Flowers