# Soft return \[Indesign\]

**URL:** <https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/soft-return-indesign/34014>\
**Category:** Using Fonts\
**Tags:** bug\
**Created:** [June 30, 2025, 8:59pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/soft-return-indesign/34014 "2025-06-30T20:59:27Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 8\
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**Author:** ![Jerome](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a587f6/32.png) [@Jerome](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/Jerome)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 8:59pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/soft-return-indesign/34014/1 "2025-06-30T20:59:27Z")

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Strange behaviour with soft (shift) return in Indesign. When exportet to PDF, an unwished glyph appears here. Is there any relation from this Indesign command to the font file?

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**Author:** ![GeorgSeifert](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/georgseifert/32/259_2.png) [@GeorgSeifert](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/GeorgSeifert)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 9:03pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/soft-return-indesign/34014/2 "2025-06-30T21:03:33Z")

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What glyph exactly?

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**Author:** ![Jerome](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a587f6/32.png) [@Jerome](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/Jerome)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/soft-return-indesign/34014/3 "2025-06-30T21:05:23Z")

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Could be “space” (which was changed with a stylistic set and returns here to default).

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**Author:** ![GeorgSeifert](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/georgseifert/32/259_2.png) [@GeorgSeifert](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/GeorgSeifert)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 9:12pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/soft-return-indesign/34014/4 "2025-06-30T21:12:15Z")

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Software often puts space or whatever glyph is at glyph ID 1 in places. Can you put another glyph at ID 1?

And I suspect that the stylistic variant has oulines? You have to be careful with that.

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**Author:** ![Jerome](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a587f6/32.png) [@Jerome](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/Jerome)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 9:21pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/soft-return-indesign/34014/5 "2025-06-30T21:21:14Z")

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Just tested, yes Indesign falls back to default space. This one is here a black square. The ss feature turns it into a normal space (empty glyph). But soft retun does not take it when exported to PDF (inside the app it’s okay). Is there anything possible to fix this?

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**Author:** ![mekkablue](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/mekkablue/32/23_2.png) [@mekkablue](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/mekkablue)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 9:26pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/soft-return-indesign/34014/6 "2025-06-30T21:26:05Z")

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> [@Jerome](#):
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> This one is here a black square

Don’t do this.

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**Author:** ![Jerome](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/a587f6/32.png) [@Jerome](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/Jerome)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2025, 9:35pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/soft-return-indesign/34014/7 "2025-06-30T21:35:48Z")

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🤣 🤣 🤣

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**Author:** ![khaled](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/user_avatar/forum.glyphsapp.com/khaled/32/28528_2.png) [@khaled](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/u/khaled)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 4:51pm UTC](https://forum.glyphsapp.com/t/soft-return-indesign/34014/8 "2025-07-01T16:51:14Z")

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Keep your default space glyph blank. Then use, e.g., `rlig` feature to substitute it with the black square glyph.